Merhaba,
Güncelleme hatası alıyorum,çözümü için yardım istiyorum.
Octopi ile alınan hata mesajı:
checking keys in keyring checking package integrity loading package files checking for file conflicts error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. Kurulum hatasız tamamlandı!
Konsoldan güncelleme denemesi sonucu alınan hata mesajı:
[sahaf@sahaf ~]$ sudo pacman -Syyu [sudo] password for sahaf: :: Paket veritabanları senkronize ediliyor... core 125,8 KiB 535K/s 00:00 [##################################] 100% extra 1876,4 KiB 611K/s 00:03 [##################################] 100% community 2,5 MiB 613K/s 00:04 [##################################] 100% multilib 135,5 KiB 538K/s 00:00 [##################################] 100% :: Sistem güncellemesi başlatılıyor... paket bağımlılıkları çözümleniyor... varsa paketler arası çakışmalara bakılıyor... Toplam Kurulum Boyutu: 1591,86 MiB Güncelleme Boyutu: 40,31 MiB :: Kuruluma onay veriyor musunuz? [E/h] (78/78) anahtarlıktaki anahtarlar kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) paket bütünlüğü kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) paket dosyaları yükleniyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) dosya çakışmaları kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% hata: işlem gerçekleştirilemedi (çakışan dosyalar) chromium: /usr/lib/chromium/libpdf.so dosya sisteminde mevcut Hata oluştu, hiçbir paket güncellenmedi. [sahaf@sahaf ~]$
sudo rm /usr/lib/chromium/libpdf.so
komutundan sonra tekrar güncellemeyi deneyin..
not: Güncelleme boyutuna bakılırsa uzun zamandır güncelleme almamışsınız gibi görünüyor. Gnome masaüstü kullanıyorsanız, güncellenen gnome ile yüklediğiniz shell-extension paketleri uyumsuzluğa sebep olup, açılışta çökmeye sebep olabilir. Gnome kullanıyorsanız buna dikkat etmenizi tavsiye ederim. Böyle bir durumda tty ekranını kullanarak, shell eklentilerinin silinmesi gerekebilir. Diğer masaüstleri için sanırım böyle bir durum yok.
şunu da deneyebilirsiniz
sudo pacman -Syyu --force
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sudo rm /usr/lib/chromium/libpdf.sokomutundan sonra tekrar güncellemeyi deneyin..
not: Güncelleme boyutuna bakılırsa uzun zamandır güncelleme almamışsınız gibi görünüyor. Gnome masaüstü kullanıyorsanız, güncellenen gnome ile yüklediğiniz shell-extension paketleri uyumsuzluğa sebep olup, açılışta çökmeye sebep olabilir. Gnome kullanıyorsanız buna dikkat etmenizi tavsiye ederim. Böyle bir durumda tty ekranını kullanarak, shell eklentilerinin silinmesi gerekebilir. Diğer masaüstleri için sanırım böyle bir durum yok.
Kde masaüstü kullanıyorum ve o sebeple buraya konu açtım,sistemimi her zaman güncel tutarım,bu sistem işyerimdeki masaüstünde olduğundan pazartesi günü güncelleme geçmişini de kontol eder net cevap yazarım.
Teşekkürler.
şunu da deneyebilirsiniz
sudo pacman -Syyu --force
Pazartesi günü dener sonucunu aktarırım,
Teşekkürler.
Verilen komutlar uygulandıktan sonra güncelleme tamamlandı,octopi menüsünde güncellemem geçmişi ile ilgili bir seçenek yok bu sebeple son güncelleme yaptığım tarihi bildiremiyorum.
Problem chromium kaynaklı ise,flash player sorunları sebebi yüzünden chromium-pepper-flash paketini kurmuştum,bu paket sebep olabilir mi?
Faydası olabilir düşüncesi ile konsol kayıtlarını ekliyorum:
[sahaf@sahaf ~]$ sudo rm /usr/lib/chromium/libpdf.so [sudo] password for sahaf: [sahaf@sahaf ~]$ [sahaf@sahaf ~]$ sudo pacman -Syyu --force :: Paket veritabanları senkronize ediliyor... core 125,8 KiB 533K/s 00:00 [##################################] 100% extra 1876,4 KiB 607K/s 00:03 [##################################] 100% community 2,5 MiB 562K/s 00:04 [##################################] 100% multilib 135,5 KiB 540K/s 00:00 [##################################] 100% :: Sistem güncellemesi başlatılıyor... paket bağımlılıkları çözümleniyor... varsa paketler arası çakışmalara bakılıyor... Paketler (78): avahi-0.6.31-13 btrfs-progs-3.16-1 chromium-37.0.2062.94-1 cryptsetup-1.6.6-1 device-mapper-2.02.111-1 ecryptfs-utils-104-1 firefox-32.0-1 firefox-i18n-tr-32.0-1 fluidsynth-1.1.6-3 glib2-2.40.0-1.1 gst-plugins-base-1.4.1-1 gst-plugins-base-libs-1.4.1-1 gst-plugins-good-1.4.1-1 gstreamer-1.4.1-1 icedtea-web-1.5.1-3 imagemagick-6.8.9.7-1 imagemagick-doc-6.8.9.7-1 jack-0.124.1-3 java-common-1-6 jdk7-openjdk-7.u65_2.5.2-1 jre7-openjdk-7.u65_2.5.2-1 jre7-openjdk-headless-7.u65_2.5.2-1 kdebase-katepart-4.14.0-2 kdesdk-kate-4.14.0-2 lib32-curl-7.37.1-1 lib32-e2fsprogs-1.42.11-1 lib32-keyutils-1.5.9-1 lib32-krb5-1.12.2-1 lib32-libgcrypt-1.6.2-1 lib32-libldap-2.4.39-1 lib32-libssh2-1.4.3-2 lib32-openssl-1.0.1.i-1 lib32-systemd-216-1 libaccounts-glib-1.17-1 libaccounts-qt-1.13-1 libnm-glib-0.9.10.0-4 libreoffice-still-base-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-calc-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-common-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-draw-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-en-US-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-gnome-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-impress-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-kde4-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-math-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-postgresql-connector-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-sdk-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-sdk-doc-4.2.6-4 libreoffice-still-tr-4.2.6-3 libreoffice-still-writer-4.2.6-4 libsystemd-216-3 libtar-1.2.20-2 linux-firmware-20140828.13eb208-1 lvm2-2.02.111-1 lz4-122-1 man-pages-3.71-1 networkmanager-0.9.10.0-4 ntp-4.2.7.p465-1 octopi-0.4.2-2 octopi-notifier-0.4.2-2 pacman-mirrorlist-20140831-1 ppp-2.4.7-1 pygobject2-devel-2.28.6-11 python2-gobject2-2.28.6-11 signon-8.57-1 systemd-216-3 systemd-sysvcompat-216-3 tcl-8.6.2-1 tcpdump-4.6.2-1 telepathy-farstream-0.6.2-1 thunderbird-31.1.0-1 thunderbird-i18n-tr-31.1.0-1 vlc-2.1.5-1.1 webkitgtk-2.4.5-1 webkitgtk2-2.4.5-1 xorg-xinit-1.3.3-4 zita-alsa-pcmi-0.2.0-1 zita-resampler-1.3.0-2 Toplam Kurulum Boyutu: 1591,86 MiB Güncelleme Boyutu: 40,31 MiB :: Kuruluma onay veriyor musunuz? [E/h] (78/78) anahtarlıktaki anahtarlar kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) paket bütünlüğü kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) paket dosyaları yükleniyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) dosya çakışmaları kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% (78/78) disk alanı kontrol ediliyor [##################################] 100% ( 1/78) güncelleniyor glib2 [##################################] 100% ( 2/78) güncelleniyor avahi [##################################] 100% avahi için yeni opsiyonel bağımlılıklar python2-twisted: avahi-bookmarks ( 3/78) güncelleniyor btrfs-progs [##################################] 100% ( 4/78) güncelleniyor libsystemd [##################################] 100% ( 5/78) güncelleniyor systemd [##################################] 100% :: Coredumps are handled by systemd by default. Collection behavior can be tuned in /etc/systemd/coredump.conf. systemd için yeni opsiyonel bağımlılıklar polkit: allow administration as unprivileged user [kuruldu] ( 6/78) güncelleniyor chromium [##################################] 100% ( 7/78) güncelleniyor device-mapper [##################################] 100% ( 8/78) güncelleniyor cryptsetup [##################################] 100% ( 9/78) güncelleniyor ecryptfs-utils [##################################] 100% (10/78) güncelleniyor firefox [##################################] 100% (11/78) güncelleniyor firefox-i18n-tr [##################################] 100% (12/78) güncelleniyor gstreamer [##################################] 100% (13/78) güncelleniyor gst-plugins-base-libs [##################################] 100% (14/78) güncelleniyor gst-plugins-base [##################################] 100% (15/78) yükleniyor zita-alsa-pcmi [##################################] 100% (16/78) yükleniyor zita-resampler [##################################] 100% (17/78) güncelleniyor jack [##################################] 100% (18/78) güncelleniyor gst-plugins-good [##################################] 100% (19/78) güncelleniyor java-common [##################################] 100% Installing multiple non-conflicting Java environments is now supported Check the following wiki section for more info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Java Please make sure JAVA_HOME is set to /usr/lib/jvm/default If not, you may have to logout and login again to set it according to /etc/profile.d/jre.sh (20/78) güncelleniyor jre7-openjdk-headless [##################################] 100% (21/78) güncelleniyor jre7-openjdk [##################################] 100% (22/78) güncelleniyor icedtea-web [##################################] 100% icedtea-web için yeni opsiyonel bağımlılıklar rhino: for using proxy auto config files (23/78) güncelleniyor imagemagick [##################################] 100% (24/78) güncelleniyor imagemagick-doc [##################################] 100% (25/78) güncelleniyor jdk7-openjdk [##################################] 100% (26/78) güncelleniyor kdebase-katepart [##################################] 100% (27/78) güncelleniyor kdesdk-kate [##################################] 100% (28/78) güncelleniyor lib32-libgcrypt [##################################] 100% (29/78) yükleniyor lib32-openssl [##################################] 100% lib32-openssl için opsiyonel bağımlılık(lar) ca-certificates [kuruldu] (30/78) yükleniyor lib32-libssh2 [##################################] 100% (31/78) yükleniyor lib32-e2fsprogs [##################################] 100% (32/78) yükleniyor lib32-libldap [##################################] 100% (33/78) yükleniyor lib32-keyutils [##################################] 100% (34/78) yükleniyor lib32-krb5 [##################################] 100% (35/78) yükleniyor lib32-curl [##################################] 100% (36/78) güncelleniyor lib32-systemd [##################################] 100% (37/78) güncelleniyor libaccounts-glib [##################################] 100% (38/78) güncelleniyor libaccounts-qt [##################################] 100% (39/78) güncelleniyor libnm-glib [##################################] 100% (40/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-en-US [##################################] 100% (41/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-tr [##################################] 100% (42/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-common [##################################] 100% (43/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-base [##################################] 100% (44/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-calc [##################################] 100% (45/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-draw [##################################] 100% (46/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-gnome [##################################] 100% (47/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-impress [##################################] 100% (48/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-kde4 [##################################] 100% (49/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-math [##################################] 100% (50/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-postgresql-connector [##################################] 100% (51/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-sdk [##################################] 100% (52/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-sdk-doc [##################################] 100% (53/78) güncelleniyor libreoffice-still-writer [##################################] 100% (54/78) güncelleniyor libtar [##################################] 100% (55/78) güncelleniyor linux-firmware [##################################] 100% (56/78) güncelleniyor lvm2 [##################################] 100% (57/78) güncelleniyor lz4 [##################################] 100% (58/78) güncelleniyor man-pages [##################################] 100% (59/78) güncelleniyor networkmanager [##################################] 100% (60/78) güncelleniyor ntp [##################################] 100% (61/78) güncelleniyor octopi [##################################] 100% (62/78) güncelleniyor octopi-notifier [##################################] 100% (63/78) güncelleniyor pacman-mirrorlist [##################################] 100% :: Querying servers, this may take some time... Africa -> 1.615 http://manjaro.mirror.ac.za/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.530 http://mirror.is.co.za/mirrors/manjaro.org/stable/$repo/$arch Australia -> 1.308 http://mirror.ventraip.net.au/Manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.895 http://manjaro.mirror.serversaustralia.com.au/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.081 http://manjaro.mirror.uber.com.au/stable/$repo/$arch Bangladesh -> 0.696 http://mirrors.ispros.com.bd/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Belgium -> 0.173 http://ftp.belnet.be/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.185 http://manjaro.cu.be/stable/$repo/$arch Brasil -> 1.702 http://manjaro.fis.unb.br/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.450 http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/manjarolinux/stable/$repo/$arch Chile -> 0.865 http://manjaro.dcc.uchile.cl/stable/$repo/$arch China -> 3.049 http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 2.524 http://mirror.bjtu.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.917 http://ftp.cuhk.edu.hk/pub/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Colombia -> 0.658 http://mirror.edatel.net.co/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Costa_Rica -> 0.690 http://mirrors.ucr.ac.cr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Denmark -> 0.327 http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch France -> 0.269 http://manjarolinux.polymorf.fr/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.186 http://mirror.finn.lu/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Germany -> 0.202 http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.195 http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.186 http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.167 http://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.174 http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.615 http://mirror.intercolo.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Greece -> 0.216 http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch India -> 0.679 http://manjaro.mirror.net.in/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Indonesia -> 1.104 http://kambing.ui.ac.id/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.676 http://kartolo.sby.datautama.net.id/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Ireland -> 0.203 http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Italy -> 0.218 http://manjaro.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Japan -> 1.750 http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.732 http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Netherlands -> 0.401 http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Philippines -> 0.888 http://mirror.pregi.net/pub/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Portugal -> 0.324 http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/manjaro/repos/stable/$repo/$arch Romania -> Error! http://mirrors.xservers.ro/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.252 http://mirrors.serverhost.ro/manjaro/packages/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.195 http://ftp.lug.ro/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.242 http://manjaro.mirrors.linux.ro/repos/stable/$repo/$arch Russia -> 0.247 http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch South_Korea -> 0.759 http://mirror.premi.st/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Sweden -> Error! http://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.219 http://mirror.zetup.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Taiwan -> 0.997 http://free.nchc.org.tw/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.019 http://free2.nchc.org.tw/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.039 http://ftp.yzu.edu.tw/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch Turkey -> 0.085 http://ftp.linux.org.tr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch United_Kingdom -> 0.392 http://repo.manjaro.org.uk/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.185 http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/repo.manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.220 http://mirror.catn.com/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.200 http://manjaro.mirrors.uk2.net/stable/$repo/$arch United_States -> 0.482 http://mirror.dacentec.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 1.052 http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.444 http://mirror.jmu.edu/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.580 http://mirror.solarvps.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.449 http://mirror.nexcess.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch -> 0.488 http://vm1.sorch.info/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch :: Generated and saved '/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist' mirrorlist. hint: use `pacman-mirrors` to generate and update your pacman mirrorlist. (64/78) güncelleniyor ppp [##################################] 100% (65/78) güncelleniyor pygobject2-devel [##################################] 100% (66/78) güncelleniyor python2-gobject2 [##################################] 100% (67/78) güncelleniyor signon [##################################] 100% (68/78) güncelleniyor systemd-sysvcompat [##################################] 100% (69/78) güncelleniyor tcl [##################################] 100% (70/78) güncelleniyor tcpdump [##################################] 100% (71/78) güncelleniyor telepathy-farstream [##################################] 100% (72/78) güncelleniyor thunderbird [##################################] 100% (73/78) güncelleniyor thunderbird-i18n-tr [##################################] 100% (74/78) yükleniyor fluidsynth [##################################] 100% > FluidSynth comes with a daemon. Start/enable it with systemd. > Before that, you need a soundfont and some preconfiguration: /etc/conf.d/fluidsynth > PulseAudio output when running as a daemon is known to be > problematic. See the following bulletin board post: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=135092 fluidsynth için opsiyonel bağımlılık(lar) pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound support [kuruldu] (75/78) güncelleniyor vlc [##################################] 100% (76/78) güncelleniyor webkitgtk [##################################] 100% (77/78) güncelleniyor webkitgtk2 [##################################] 100% (78/78) güncelleniyor xorg-xinit [##################################] 100% [sahaf@sahaf ~]$
Bu mesaja konu güncellemeden sonra ilk toplu güncelleme bu gün ( 11 Ekim 2014) geldi ama octopi de güncellemeyi tamamlayamadım,lib32 mesa driver ile ilgili bir sorun bildirdi ben de güncellemeyi konsoldan yapmayı denedim,octopi de çözemediğim sorunun konsoldaki çözümünü aktarmak istedim.
Yanlışım varsa düzeltelim,yorumum,bir önceki --force komutu ile güncellemeye zorladığımızda ekran kartı sürücüleri ile ilgili bir problem olmuş.
[sahaf@sahaf ~]$ sudo pacman -Syyu :: Paket veritabanları senkronize ediliyor... core 128,1 KiB 102K/s 00:01 [##################################] 100% extra 1874,2 KiB 140K/s 00:13 [##################################] 100% community 2,5 MiB 243K/s 00:10 [##################################] 100% multilib 133,7 KiB 79,7K/s 00:02 [##################################] 100% :: Sistem güncellemesi başlatılıyor... :: ati-dri paketini extra/mesa-dri ile değiştirmek ister misiniz? [E/h] E :: glamor-egl paketini extra/xorg-server ile değiştirmek ister misiniz? [E/h] E :: grantlee paketini extra/grantlee-qt4 ile değiştirmek ister misiniz? [E/h] E :: lib32-ati-dri paketini multilib/lib32-mesa-dri ile değiştirmek ister misiniz? [E/h] E :: mhwd-nvidia-legacy paketini core/mhwd-nvidia-304xx ile değiştirmek ister misiniz? [E/h] E paket bağımlılıkları çözümleniyor... varsa paketler arası çakışmalara bakılıyor...
292 adet güncelleme var ve yükseltme devam edyor.
banana icin olan arch kurulu gunceleme yapamiyorum
335/335) checking for file conflicts [######################] 100%
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh.so exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh.so.4 exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh_threads.so exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh_threads.so.4 exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
root@lemaker bananapi]# pacman-key --init
gpg: /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
gpg: starting migration from earlier GnuPG versions
gpg: porting secret keys from '/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/secring.gpg' to gpg-agent
gpg: migration succeeded
gpg: Generating pacman keyring master key...
gpg: key 667355B4 marked as ultimately trusted
gpg: directory '/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/openpgp-revocs.d' created
gpg: Done
==> Updating trust database...
gpg: 3 marginal(s) needed, 1 complete(s) needed, PGP trust model
gpg: depth: 0 valid: 1 signed: 0 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u
[root@lemaker bananapi]#
[root@lemaker bananapi]# pacman-key --refresh-keys
gpg: refreshing 1 key from hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net
gpg: keyserver refresh failed: No data
==> ERROR: A specified local key could not be updated from a keyserver.
[root@lemaker bananapi]# pacman-key --populate archlinux
==> ERROR: The keyring file /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux.gpg does not exist.
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh.so exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh.so.4 exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh_threads.so exists in filesystem
libssh: /usr/lib/libssh_threads.so.4 exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
işlemekte sorun yaşanıyor.çakışan dosyalar var
sistem nedir ayrıntı verin
sistem arch ise
pacman-key --init
pacman-key --populate archlinux
Suskunluğum asaletimdendir,her lafa verilecek cevabım var. Ama bir lafa bakarım laf mı ? diye bir de söyleyene bakarım adam mı ? diye
Sağol ata çakışan dosyaları kaldırdım güncelleme yaptı.
Sistem Bananapi için olan Archlinux Arm için olan lxde masaüstü eldejani.img den kurulma
güncelledim ama şimdide masaüstü açılmıyor konsolda kalıyor
arch tr formunda konu açın yardım alın. ;D
Suskunluğum asaletimdendir,her lafa verilecek cevabım var. Ama bir lafa bakarım laf mı ? diye bir de söyleyene bakarım adam mı ? diye